tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post5390741589845294805..comments2023-10-02T14:33:18.136+01:00Comments on The Very Fluffy Diary of Millennium Dome, Elephant: Day 3249 (part two): DOCTOR WHO: The Doctor Dances: Everybody Lives, terms and conditions apply, there IS a War on!Millennium Domehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-63732830939473634922009-12-01T18:27:20.017+00:002009-12-01T18:27:20.017+00:00Sorry Mr Mat :(
My best theories for "where...Sorry Mr Mat :(<br /><br /><br />My best theories for "where was Torchwood in the UNIT years" are:<br /><br />EITHER – Torchwood are looking exclusively for Mr Dr David, because they don't realise about regeneration and Captain Jack never tells them and Mrs the Queen Vic never saw the TARDIS, so Mr Dr Jon is safe<br /><br />OR – at some point before 1960, Torchwood actually CATCH one incarnation of the Doctor and so rescind Directive One ("get the Doctor") 'cos they've got him; they lock him up for forty years until sometime about the year 2000 that Doctor ESCAPES so Directive One ("get the Doctor AGAIN") is reinstated just in time for Yvonne Hartman to catch him at Canary Wharf. I should say!<br /><br />If the Government know that they have Torchwood, it might explain why they keep overruling UNIT.<br /><br />And, if Torchwood are going round nicking all alien stuff, then the Brigadier would be all the more likely to keep HIS alien completely secret. And as for that Green Death business, what an opportunity to get one over on the Cardiff Crowd.Millennium Domehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-86131697936486770972009-11-30T14:22:44.709+00:002009-11-30T14:22:44.709+00:00Gah. OK, just destroy the theory straight off, see...Gah. OK, just destroy the theory straight off, see if I care.<br /><br />So, TW existed regardless, but had been completely hidden from UNIT et al, despite being active, especially in Cardiff.<br /><br />And they built the lift after the TARDIS had been there, but not necessarily the time we first saw it landing there.<br /><br />Um, or something.MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-959558396383324852009-11-29T09:07:42.792+00:002009-11-29T09:07:42.792+00:00It’s a nice thought, but really if the Doctor’s pr...It’s a nice thought, but really if the Doctor’s presence in “Tooth and Claw” changes history, what would have happened if he <em>hadn’t</em> been there? It’s not like we’d have had “our” history but without Torchwood – we’d have had the Empire of the Wolf!<br /><br />There are too many examples of the Doctor causing established history: the first Doctor could hardly pick up Ian and Barbara from a recognisable 1963 if his future third self hadn’t prevented Linx giving Irongron advanced weapons in the Thirteenth Century, or his fifth self stopping the Terileptil plague wiping out humanity in 1666, or his tenth self stopping the Carrionites making hell on earth in 1604.<br /><br />Likewise with “future history”: the Doctor might not do a lot to thwart the Dalek Invasion of Earth, but Ian and Barbara do. Yet the Earth starship of the Sensorites (which in their timeline they encounter first) cannot exist unless the Dalek Invasion is defeated. And the Dalek Invasion in the Twenty-Second Century itself would play out very differently if the second Doctor hadn’t fixed all those Cybermen invasions of the Twenty-First.<br /><br />The example of “Pyramids of Mars” seems to be an interesting one. What it appears to suggest is that history “assumes” that the Doctor will (at some point) come along and sort Sutekh out. But when the Doctor actually arrives, free will gives him the opportunity to muff it all up, so Sutekh (or indeed any baddie, even in the established “past”) <em>could</em> win.<br /><br />It would be nice to think that in “Tooth and Claw” the Doctor <em>is</em> pre-destined to save Queen Victoria, but – possibly because he’s doing that lovey-dovey mucking about with Rose – he gets it a bit wrong, and Torchwood is created by mistake.<br /><br />Where it all falls down is that that Torchwood <em>does</em> exist in the Doctor’s personal timeline <em>before</em> “Tooth and Claw” because we see them shoot down the Sycorax in “The Christmas Invasion”.Millennium Domehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-9426796545758538702009-11-28T17:15:35.298+00:002009-11-28T17:15:35.298+00:00is nobody just the slightest bit suspicious that T...<i>is nobody just the slightest bit suspicious that Torchwood appears to have taken an extended vacation just at the point where a lady Slitheen takes over the mayoralty of Cardiff and the TARDIS parks exactly on top of their Hub</i><br /><br />No, because at this stage in the <i>Doctor's</i> personal timeline, Torchwood doesn't exist yet. He has to go back in time to meet Queen Vic, which changes the timeline in a minor enough fashion for Torchwood to now exist in the future.<br /><br />The Doctor, inevitably, changes the way the world works when he jumps around it, creating split dimensions--Inferno and Pyramids of Mars both confirm this, it's just that Rusty doesn't want to make it explicitly clear because, well, he probably hasn't thought it all through properly.<br /><br />Let's face it, Torchwood definitely didn't exist during the UNIT era as we saw it, right?MatGBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02821264556751176639noreply@blogger.com