tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post1677910349728072254..comments2023-10-02T14:33:18.136+01:00Comments on The Very Fluffy Diary of Millennium Dome, Elephant: Day 3578: THE SCARY JANE ADVENTURES: The (Unspeakable) Vault of SecretsMillennium Domehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-29240902819759963972010-10-26T14:30:33.906+01:002010-10-26T14:30:33.906+01:00Well, no, they're not "guesses"; the...Well, no, they're not "guesses"; they're "adding up". ONSCREEN, "The Abominable Snowmen" is dated to 1935. ONSCREEN that is stated to be "over 40 years ago". <br /><br />As for "onscreen confirmation in 2007", what Mr President Winters actually says is: "First contact policy was decided by the Security Council in 1968." ("The Sound of Drums")<br /><br />That adds NOTHING to when UNIT was founded. It takes nothing away. If you WANT to interpret the President's words as fitting your paradigm that's nice for you, but it doesn't trump anything.<br /><br />Onscreen confirmation in 200<em>8</em>, however, from the Doctor himself, is that he worked for UNIT...<br /><br />"A long time ago, back in the 70s -- or was it the 80s?" ("The Sontaran Stratagem")<br /><br />SERIOUSLY, there is no winning this argument. You are wrong. I am wrong. There is NO WAY to make it work.Millennium Domehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-23157936634331989582010-10-26T13:52:50.876+01:002010-10-26T13:52:50.876+01:00I'm taking my dates from an unimpeachable sour...I'm taking my dates from an unimpeachable source, a US President (that's using 'unimpeachable' in the sense of 'should have been but got zapped by Toclafane instead'). On-air confirmation in 2007 trumps Jeremy Bentham's guesses in 1979.<br /> And I'm not suggesting for a moment that Torchwood were in any way adequate, merely asking how they filled Canary Wharf with alien goodies when UNIT and Men In Shades were collecting it all too.<br /> Moreover, I don't care what the naughty boys at Pravda think - they can't even get Hartnell titles right.Tathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00254989710798762675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-89262901849910040192010-10-26T11:05:10.458+01:002010-10-26T11:05:10.458+01:00"whatever happened in 1972 was four years aft..."whatever happened in 1972 was four years after UNIT was formed"<br /><br />That would be the UNIT that was formed between 1975 and 1979 ("Web of Fear" and "The Invasion"), wink, nod, smile, chuckle.<br /><br />Look, even with those naughty boys at Doctor Who Magazine recognising <a href="http://millenniumelephant.blogspot.com/2009/08/day-3150-mysteries-of-doctor-who-19-how.html" rel="nofollow">MY solution</a> to the Mawdryn Undead problem, we really just have to agree to disagree over the UNIT dating because the only possible solution is that NO ONE is right; the dates flatly contradict one another (and no, dating by HAIR DO will not do). UNIT stories (or all the ones before "Battlefield" anyway) take place "sometime in the 'Seventies. Or 'Eighties" according to taste.<br /><br />I'm happy to accept that something "timey-wimey" (for want of a less irritating term) has gone wrong with Earth's history during the Doctor's exile (maybe to do with the Monk's actions in "No Future", or even the catch-all excuse of the Time War), although actually I rather like the implication that the Alliance of Shades decided Earth no longer needed defending just at the point where UNIT were about to be set up <em>because</em> UNIT were about to be set up and we could start to look after ourselves.<br /><br />And NO ONE believes that "Torchwood" were up to looking after us!<br /><br />Mind you, a vault full of spaceships that would blow up the Earth if they are activated and the Master never tried to use them to escape between "Terror of the Autons" and "Mind of Evil". How very unlike the fellow.Millennium Domehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08430269096817934037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22974616.post-70239688110433334952010-10-26T02:25:51.248+01:002010-10-26T02:25:51.248+01:00Once upon a time, when Gerry Anderson still though...Once upon a time, when Gerry Anderson still thought a Spectrum pop group was a good idea, it was possible to join Spectrum for - I think - 2/6. But as you weren't allowed to be a Colour and get to find where all the SPVs were hidden you were only permitted to become a Shade.<br /> A few footling comments: 'Lis' rather than 'Liz' and it was 1972, not 74. That last detail concerns me more because whatever happened in 1972 was four years after UNIT was formed, so there was this lot, Jo-and-Mike-and-Benton-and-the-Brig AND Torchwood all running around catching aliens and we still got invaded once every four weeks. And despite the existence of a hyperspatial vault and cryogenic chambers they locked the Master in a castle on the Isle of Wight with swords on the walls.Tathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00254989710798762675noreply@blogger.com